The Lamron

Originally posted by

Taimur Gibson

Actually this is the first health care article I've written, if you can even call it that.

I wasn't aware that the European health care systems were close to collapse. Source please?

I will concede to you though that Obama is implementing socialist policies, but why is that a bad thing? You go to a socialist school. America has a mixed economy anyways. What's the problem?

I would argue that America does need fundamental change. The current recession, unemployment rate, and massive inequality would point towards the necessity to get out of this mess, and make sure it never happens again.

How is the government the cause of the recession? How is the government the cause of the lack of health insurance availability? Even so, we have a new administration with a new agenda, so you can't classify the current government based on the old one.

Did you honestly ask why implementing socialist policies is a bad thing? Seriously? I want to make sure that my ability to read isn't somehow disabled. I can't believe that someone who is supposed to be getting an education is actually asking if socialism is a bad thing.

Yes, the US is a mixed economy. It's best kept mixed on the capitalist end. We did not become an economic powerhouse (even during the recession...think about it) with socialism. Even in down times, our country is among the wealthiest in the world. You call this a "socialist school?" Ok, look at how well SUNY's budget is doing...compared to private colleges. I read real newspapers and haven't heard anything as severe coming out of UofR, RIT, Syracuse, etc. It's not just New York. Unviersity of California students are in for a 32% increase because the great liberal mecca, illegal aliens and all, can't seem to count.

Look at the state of public education in general. Schools have become dependent on state aid largely because of actions taken by the state. There is virtually no local control over public education, and when the state's finances collapse due to severe mismanagement, schools suffer. Government's fault. Look at the state of social security. Social security is the greatest ponzi scheme ever. Bernie Madoff should not be in prison, he should get the Congressional Medal of Honor. He was just using government financial strategy, after all.

There is little doubt that you and I won't see a dime of social security. Our money will be buried in the grave along with American ingenuity and liberty replaced by government handouts and socialism. Look at the postal service, the dmv, all of the government bereauocracy. YEA! LETS BRING THAT CONCEPT TO HEALTHCARE! Look at medicare/medicaid. Many doctors no longer accept medicare because reimbursement is not complete. Now you're advocating for more government control over health care? What a disaster government run health care will be, when the government can't even balance a budget. We are already seeing signs that health care will be rationed. Where are the feminists on the mamogram story? Haven't heard a peep from the breast cancer crowd.

Here's a story from the British National Party. You know, one of those conservative groups who you contend don't really oppose socialist medicine in Europe...It states in short that their healtcare system is CRAP!

http://bnp.org.uk/2008/04/british-theft-of-african-workers-leaves-health-care-and-nurses-close-to-collapse/

You do realize that part of this healthcare "plan" is to force people to purchase health insurance, pay a fine or go to jail? American's have never been forced to purchase a product just because they are Americans. Yes, many purchase auto insurance, but this is for people who own cars and drive on public highways. If you don't want to pay for it, you don't own a car. This will not be the case with healthcare. It will be compulsory...or else.

How about the government being involved directly with my healthcare. The government has no business knowing what medicine I take or what illness I have. Call me crazy, but that is just too much. Where are all the people who chant "keep your laws off my body" anyway?

Finally there is your point that we have a "new" administration. Obviously, Obama is the liberal messiah who will deliver the chosen democrats to paradise...Cuba...but lets be realistic. Assume that you are right, and Obama's administration sets up a superior system and runs everything better than those "evil" republicans...what happens when someone who you see as less capable is in office? Do you just assume that Obama will never leave office?

If you subscribe to socialist ideas, it is clear to me that you do not understand them. I find it terrifying that someone going to New York's "honors college" is actually unsure what the problem is with socialism. When I read that, I wanted to throw my computer. Maybe Obama will buy me a new one?

Originally posted by

Alexander Berberich

Just for kicks I looked into the other two as well.

"The Heartland Institute received $561,500 from ExxonMobil between 1998 and 2005. This included $119,000 in 2005, its largest gift to Heartland in that period. Nearly 40% of funds from ExxonMobil were specifically designated for climate change projects."

And the Third World Traveler website lists Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Sese Seko, and Augusto Pinochet as "friendly dictators."

Please, try to find some sources that aren't crackpot organizations with some space on a server somewhere.

Here's a typical whining liberal strategy: attack the messenger, not the message. The reason, of course, is that the liberal message is fundamentally flawed. So to be fair, I will play ball your way for a few minutes.

Since no sources are posted here, I assume you are getting information from the incredibly liberal NBC News. NBC has been very nice to Obama, with Chris Matthews having Obamagasms in his leg and all. Did you know that General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt has visited the Whitehouse at least 5 times (visitors log). Of course, you already know that GE owns NBC. Perhaps GE and NBC will gain some lucrative contract?

Did you know the President of Exxon Mobil Rex Tillerson has visited the Whitehouse? I only point this out because you seem to think that an association with Exxon Mobil is bad...because your car runs on what exactly? I guess because of this mutual association, you rank the Obama administration and The Heartland Institute together, as a crackpot organization.

Want to play the guilt by association game? Does the fact that these people visited Obama mean he is in bed with them? IT MUST!

Guilt by association: Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Van Jones, Bernadine Dohrn, Rashid Khalidi, Tony Rezco, Anita Dunn,Cass Sunstein.

Anita Dunn, Obama's former communications director listed Mao Tse-tung as one of the two people she most admires. Of course, this was only a problem after some right wing crazies brought it out. There is no way they didn't know it. I only point this out because you pointed out the Third World Traveler's listing of Sadam and others.

Lastly you pointed out that one of my sources was no good because the editor of the Washington Post make some comments about it. That's all well and good, but I assume if the editor of the Washington Post told you to drink the stuff under the sink, you would believe that to be a good idea. If the editor of the Democrat and Chronicle wrote that the Lamron was an anti-semetic newspaper promoting a communist agenda, would that make it true?